Here is my formal renunciation of Christianity:

http://drakeshelton.com/2013/07/28/christianity-is-heresy-my-formal-renunciation-of-the-christian-religion/

For more information, see my Natsarim Sources page:

http://drakeshelton.com/2013/07/05/natsarim-sources/

and the Natsarim section of my blog which contains additional material and dialogue:

http://drakeshelton.com/category/natsarim/

I would also like to post a dialogue I had with a an old friend of mine who responded to my renunciation of Christianity:

I wish I could say that it was good to hear from you but after reading through this effeminate piece of emotional manipulation…

“you have lost focus on what Christ has done for you”

>>>Which Christ? Christians have many definitions of this person.

“and the implications of the gospel”

>>>Which gospel?

“Maybe this hasn’t been a legitimate fear, but I am still interested in knowing how you are doing in life and where you are headed.”

>>>Since being informed of my obligations to the 2nd and 4th Commandment I have lost everything that a human being could want to live for in his life. As you know my scholarship from school was taken away from me for refusing to be a part of religious worship reserved for the Jewish Temple services and the Levite Priests. Not only so, after this I found out that belief in the 4th Commandment is a sure way to be refused a career here in Baptist America. After a year and a half of working 2 jobs on my feet that paid little more than minimum wage, my body broke down and a ligament that holds my hip and my spine together tore severely. I lost everything over this and it still has not healed to this day. I had a nervous breakdown after my debtors had their fun threatening to take me to court as I laid helpless on my mother’s couch after moving here to Louisville. I now have a heart condition. I have no friends, no family, and no career. Simply put, things are pretty bad.

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“I think that it becomes apparent that what you are trying to do, instead of becoming an able teacher of God’s word and its doctrines, is to prove how everyone besides yourself is incorrect in regard to anything you choose to “study,” which happens to often be theology.”

>>>Earlier you said that you have not read much of what I have written. It is showing. If I have done anything it is search for a group to be a part of so that I would not have to erect my opinion above that of others. I have for the past 6 years tried everything I can to mold my mind to the Theological writings of the Puritans and the Reformers (Checking them out with the scriptures of course). I wrote a Systematic Theology which is basically a detailed systematic defense of the Theological writings of Samuel Rutherford, Francis Turretin and the early Greek Fathers. Your statement is a lie and I resent the fact that you even considered writing it.

“Fourth, I am purposeful in not addressing your arguments directly because I do not believe that debating specific items is the best approach in your case.”

>>>Yankee-Baptist-Fundamentalist pride and manipulation to avoid being corrected.

“What are you trying to accomplish in your studies and the publication of them?”

>>>Truth and the documentation of that journey so that others may benefit. I have saved numerous men from conversions to Eastern Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism.

“1 Timothy 1:3-7 3 As I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, remain on at Ephesus so that you may instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines”

>>>That is damning to you ….. This whole passage was written to preserve doctrinal truths not avoid them. Christians are the ones with strange doctrines. 4 gods? All animals are clean? The body does not affect the soul? Men are not to seek marriage? The Sabbath has been abrogated? No, no. You are the ones who teach strange doctrine.

“4 nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith.”

>>>Can you document a single genealogical debate I have had?

“5 But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6 For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, 7 wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions.”

>>>Love for whom? Men or God? Rutherford speaks of your “cruel meekness, and bloody gentleness in a pretended bearing with tender consciences under a color of paying the debt of bastard love, while as we suffer millions to perish, through silence and merciless condolency with them in their sinful depraving of the truth.” Free Disputation.

“Is your life marked by gratitude for God’s mercy in forgiving your sins?”

>>>Yes. Is your life marked by love for God in healing the thousands of breaches among pretended believers and squelching the heresies of men?

2 Cor 10:5 We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of Yah, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Yahshua.

“1 Timothy 1:12-17 12 I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has strengthened me, because He considered me faithful, putting me into service, 13 even though I was formerly a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent aggressor. Yet I was shown mercy because I acted ignorantly in unbelief; 14 and the grace of our Lord was more than abundant, with the faith and love which are found in Christ Jesus. 15 It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all. 16 Yet for this reason I found mercy, so that in me as the foremost, Jesus Christ might demonstrate His perfect patience as an example for those who would believe in Him for eternal life. 17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.”

>>>This is the effeminacy of Christianity. You are twisting the issue. How did Rav Shaul react to people who were trying to sow Theological heresies among his people?

Gal 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!

Gal 5: 12 I wish that those who are troubling you would even mutilate themselves.

“Is your life characterized by a refusal to pick fights and to a commitment to show gentleness, or is your biggest love in life a love for arguing?”

>>>Rav Shaul was not saying that he had repented from Theological deliberation. He said that he repented from blasphemy and physically assaulting people for their obedience to the truth. How does this passage help your position?

It is because of effeminate Christians like you that men like Joseph Smith get away with the things they do. Ah, this guy says he found some golden plates with new doctrines on them. I don’t want to get caught up in vain controversies so lets just let him destroy the world with his heresies, right …? Of course you will deny it but we both know, if you had been living in those times you would have let him get away with it scot free because we are living in those times now and it is absolute chaos.

“1 Timothy 3:3 3 not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money. 6:11 11 But flee from these things, you man of God, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, perseverance and gentleness.”

>>>So you call fomenting a huge war against Southerners gentle and peaceable huh? So the mass gang rape of white and black women is gentle and peaceable? No, no, sir. You have not a single leg to stand on these issues. You Yankee Pietists with your effeminate manipulations will not deceive me.

Notice how Rav Shaul grounds peace and patience with one another:

Romans 15:5 Now may the God who gives perseverance and encouragement grant you to be *****of the same mind with one another******** according to Yeshua Ha Mesiach , 6 so that with ****one accord**** you may with ****one voice**** glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 7 Therefore, accept one another, just as Christ also accepted us to the glory of God.

Rav Shaul grounds true peaceable-ness in doctrine not in compromise. As to pugnaciousness this is not absolute. Rav Shaul is quite pugnacious with heretics:

Tit 2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee. Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed [pugnacious]. Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. 1Ti 1:3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine 1Ti 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. 1Ti 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: 1Ti 1:6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; Tit 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore *****rebuke them sharply***** [pugnacious], that they may be sound in the faith; Tit 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. Tit 1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Tit 1:11 Whose mouths must be stopped,[pugnacious] who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake. 1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 1Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

“Are you nourished on the kind of doctrine which refuses to entertain the worldly fables of conspiracy?”

>>>Jer 16:19 O Lord, my strength and my stronghold, And my refuge in the day of distress, To You the nations will come From the ends of the earth and say, “Our fathers have inherited nothing but falsehood, Futility and things of no profit.”

“While I believe that conspiracy is a very real part of our sin-filled world, Paul is seeking to instruct Timothy that he should proclaim the truth of Scripture and live a godly life rather than proclaim other ideas which distract from godliness.

1 Timothy 4:6-7 In pointing out these things to the brethren, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, constantly nourished on the words of the faith and of the sound doctrine which you have been following. 7 But have nothing to do with worldly fables fit only for old women. On the other hand, discipline yourself for the purpose of godliness;”

>>>Myths and Conspiracies like this: …….Uh…..Those southerners kidnapped those Africans and made them slaves. They hate the Africans, we love them. They rape them and torture them. Slavery is a sin. The Bible says so. How about we invade them, rape, pillage and murder them and then spend the next 150 years re-writing their History. Conspiracy myths like that right …?

“Sound doctrine=healthy teaching which conforms our lifestyles to God’s instruction”

>>>Tell me then one single passage in the Scripture that condemns the owning of another person as property. Tell me then one single passage that abrogates the Sabbath command. Tell me one single passage in the Bible that teaches we have 4 objects of prayer.

“and part of failing to pursue sound words is having an interest in controversial questions, etc.”

>>>Sound words? That sounds like Orthodox Doctrine to me. Tell me a single issue in religion that is not controversial.

“ Are you conformed to the virtues embodied by Christ, or are you finding in your heart envy for black men with white women, envy for rich and powerful men who seemingly control this world against God’s authority, strife, abusive language, and evil suspicions?”

>>>You err not knowing your Southern History,

Dabney, Defence of Virginia, 353,

“But while we believe that “God made of one blood all nations of men to dwell under the whole heavens,” we know that the African has become, according to a well-known law of natural history, by the manifold influences of the ages, a different, fixed species of the race, separated from the white man by traits bodily, mental and moral, almost as rigid and permanent as those of genus. ******Hence the offspring of an amalgamation must be a hybrid race, stamped with all the feebleness of the hybrid, and incapable of the career of civilization and glory as an independent race.********** And this apparently is the destiny which our conquerors have in view. If indeed they can mix the blood of the heroes of Manassas with this vile stream from the fens of Africa, then they will never again have occasion to tremble before the righteous resistance of Virginian freemen; but will have a race supple and vile enough to fill that position of political subjection, which they desire to fix on the South.”

Every time I walk by a black man in my city who looks at me like he wants to kill me I laugh at your Yankee myths and your integrationist Communist ideas that your people have sold to the world as Christianity. (Engels, Principles of Communism, 1847, Sec. 21-22)

“1 Timothy 6:3-5 3 If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness, 4 he is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions, 5 and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain.”

>>>I remember you telling me that Presbyterianism was wrong over a debate on the word Presbuteros. With the broad brushed, sloppy criticism you have made, this verse could condemn all Hebrew and Greek learning among Christians. The fact is, this verse is saying the exact opposite thing you are saying. Rav Shaul is guarding Theological Truth, not compromising it. He is not saying we should not debate. He is saying the errant man is ignorant and he is wrong. “Drake, I fear that this may be true for you, and it is a terrible place to be before God, to go astray from the faith because you have embraced empty chatter and false knowledge.”

>>>What faith? Christians don’t have a clue what they believe except they don’t believe the Torah. There are so many thousands of versions of Christianity your assertion of “the Faith” is nothing but wishful thinking.

“1 Timothy 6: 20 O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, avoiding worldly and empty chatter and the opposing arguments of what is falsely called “knowledge”— 21 which some have professed and thus gone astray from the faith.”

>>>………and this verse pertains to me how? Assertions are not arguments …. Your Theological training obviously did not teach you the nature of your task.

“I remember your telling me of the epiphany you experienced when you considered Proverbs 3:5 where it says to not lean on your own understanding. I hope that you will once again consider this word of God to you and not be wise in your own eyes, but follow our Lord in humility.”

>>>You are twisting that passage to teach the Roman Catholic doctrine of implicit faith if you even know what that means. And before you do a google search, read the 9th commandment before you reply if you even have the courage to reply.

“Proverbs 3:5-7 5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And do not lean on your own understanding.6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He will make your paths straight. 7 Do not be wise in your own eyes; Fear the Lord and turn away from evil.”

>>>I have obeyed this. Your people have not. The Scripture says there is one God. You Christians say there are four. The Scripture says to keep the Sabbath. You Christians say we shall not. The Scripture says to keep Kosher. You Christians say we shall not. The Scripture says sex is good for a man. You Christians say it is a burden. I have turned away from the doctrines of men and turned my ear to hear the voice of Yah. Fundamentalism was a Yankee Abolitionist creation that infiltrated down here in the South with our Carpet Bagger invasion. Don’t pursue ministry …. You aren’t ready. You are just going to continue the process of confusing the world with your heresies and your genocide. The only way I could ever wish you well is if I knew you were actually going to study and try to refute me by a sincere search for truth. If you are going to do that, Yah be with you, if you are going to crawl back into the genocidal ignorance your religion has relished for so many decades, I hope nothing but the worst for you.

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Again you avoided a ton. Fundamentalism came out of Yankee pietism friend. That is history. Balk at facts if you like.

Ezek. 18 is talking about punishment inflicted by the Civil Magistrate not Yah.

“He has obviously chosen to preserve the NT, even Matthew, in Greek. Second, it is certainly the case that Christ and the apostles spoke in Aramaic, but it is also true that they also spoke and wrote in Koine Greek. This is attested by the evident quotations in the Greek NT. There are quotations in Matthew that are no doubt taken from the Hebrew Scriptures, along with many apparent Semitisms, but the book also contains LXX quotations.”

>>>That is patently false; Jerome himself admitted that was not true.

Lives of Illustrious Men, 3, “Matthew, surnamed Levi.”

“In this it is to be noted that wherever the Evangelist, whether on his own account or in the person of our Lord the Saviour quotes the testimony of the Old Testament he does not follow the authority of the translators of the Septuagint but the Hebrew. ”

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf203.v.iii.v.html

See also: http://drakeshelton.com/2013/08/01/excursus-on-the-semitic-roots-of-the-new-testament/

“These people were not one-language people. The fact that they spoke Hebrew does not preclude the fact that they also spoke and wrote Koine Greek, nor does it force us to conclude that the entire NT must have been written in Hebrew either. This is not a necessary conclusion theologically, linguistically, or by way of the evidence as it stands. The Greek NT is the best-attested ancient document in history.”

>>>So says the Roman Catholic tradition that has mastered the art of suppressed literature. Did you know that Zondervan is owned by that Papal Knight Rupert Murdoch?

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/zondervan.says.rupert.murdoch.connection.does.not.present.ethical.dilemma/28315.htm

“Of course the English translations do not reflect the meaning of the Hebrew, because the NT does not exist apart from the Greek record. The NT in either language is rejected by Jews today.”

>>>Wow. Thank you for the admission.

“The Gospel of Matthew in Greek was composed in Greek, as it does not bear the evidence of a work translated from Hebrew into Greek.”

>>>There is much evidence that Luke is a translation. “In regards to Lk. it remains to be said, that of all the Four Gospels it is the one which gives by far the plainest and most constant evidence of being a translation.” Our Translated Gospels by C.C. Torrey.

“2. Traditional Christianity does not teach four Gods. You have applied your reason and logic against the teaching of God’s written Word.”

>>>Reason and logic are necessary for a Bible translation to even exist in our language. Reason and logic are required to even read! Do you or do you not pray to more than one person? Do you at least pray to the Father and the Son? Explain how this is not polytheism.

“3. Christians do not believe as Gnostics do. Seeing any kind of similarity between teachings does not mean they are the same. This is a gross mistake.”

>>>Then provide your basis for an abrogation of the Kosher laws without appealing to the body-spirit dialectic.

“4. Christianity does not teach a Gnostic view of sex. We do not teach that it is good for a man to remain unmarried. I am not a Catholic.”

>>>The Eastern Orthodox teach the same thing. John Calvin taught that in his commentary on 1 Cor 7 and Calvin was not a Catholic either.

“5. Christianity does not reject Sabbath observance. Yah saw fit to change Sabbath observance after raising His Son from the dead. Jesus, who identified Himself as Yahweh, said that He is Lord of the Sabbath. Christians celebrate rest from their labors on the first day of the week, the Lord’s Day, when Christ rose from the dead.”

>>>Why even reply if you aren’t going to address what I said? 1 Cor. 16 and other places rule out that interpretation.

“6. I would like to reference problem number 6 of your renunciation, where you cite Matthew 10:28 and Jesus’ use of the word apollumi, to destroy, to prove the annihilation of unrighteous souls in hell. There are multiple issues with this assertion, regardless of what pagans believe about the immortality of the soul. If a pagan believes one thing which I also believe, his belief does not undo the teaching of Scripture.”

>>>But that doctrine is not taught in scripture only the opposite. http://drakeshelton.com/2013/08/03/hell/

“ In order to prove that the existence of humans (both body and soul, as they were created, Gen. 2:7) is terminated after judgment, you would have to prove that Scripture teaches that the idea of eternity or “foreverness” is never associated with the existence of people in punishment.”

>>>”Associated” is vague. You probably wrote that ambiguously on purpose.

I already dealt with your arguments for eternal hell in the work cited above.