Awesome Debate: Pure Communism vs. Pure Capitalism Monday, Dec 23 2013 

Reply to Matthew Heimbach’s “Labor and Tradition: Dump the Bosses Off Your Back” Wednesday, Dec 4 2013 

http://www.tradyouth.org/2013/12/labor-and-tradition-dump-the-bosses-off-your-back/#comment-10264

Matt,

“The working class has been fighting for a living wage and bearable working conditions for centuries. While Europe prior to the advance of capitalism had believed in the importance of the elites having a “nobles obligation” to the lower classes to provide for them a survivable wage, infrastructure, and other needs, the modern class war is one of “every man for himself.”

>>>Yet the Feudal Noble-Serf Dialectic is exactly what Europe rejected in the rise of Communism. The Communist Manifesto states,

“The modern bourgeois society that has sprouted from the ruins of feudal society has not done away with class antagonisms. It has but established new classes, new conditions of oppression, new forms of struggle in place of the old ones.”

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch01.htm#007

“The redefining of a nation from a folk and community to that of a “social contract” business arrangement creates a tyranny of the rich over the working class.”

>>>And an open door to racial integration.

“A society cannot survive as the Communists would have it, with the working class overthrowing the elites. A society also cannot survive when the elites betray their God-given mission to be proper stewards. A nation will survive and thrive when the elites and the blue collar can unite, hand-in-hand, and work together to build a better nation for all walks of life.”

>>>Agreed which is why your Feudal construction will not work. The Feudal society was a calculated rejection of the Bible.

“Bishop Adalbero of Laon: The Tripartite Society…For human law distinguishes two classes. Nobles and serfs, indeed, are not governed by the same ordinance…The other class is that of the serfs. This luckless breed possesses nothing except at the cost of its own labour…[Footnote: Jacques Le Goff, Medieval Civilization, trans. Julia Barrow (Oxford: Blackwell, 1990), 255]” (pg. 221)

This is a deliberate and calculated rejection of the Bible: Num. 15:15-29

“America is a ultimate expression of the decline of the unity between the elites and working class. In a revolution that dismantled centuries of monarchy and the Church ruling over the society, Freemasons and capitalists were able to Shanghai millions of colonists into embracing the identity of America. The American identity is one not forged in blood, history, race, or theology, but one based on the worship of the Almighty Dollar.”

>>>Agreed

“The working class in America has always struggled under the weight of taxes and regulation which make moving up socially and economically very difficult. The control of “old money” over the affairs both social and economic of State’s and the nation ensure that democracy and equal protection under the law are little more than words tossed out to placate the masses.”

>>>I am going to need to see some statistics on that in order to believe it. Before the Yankee invasion, the South was a Utopia for a Freeman and a Yeoman farmer. Even after the 14th Amendment we still had In esse and sui juris status-right to our wages for labor.

“While a poor man who steals fifty dollars from a liquor store might get ten years in prison, banksters who loot billions from hardworking pensioners will get house arrest in his sprawling mansion.”

>>>This is a result of Christian Theology. Christianity did away with the Torah and thus its usury laws. The Catholic Church’s feigned half obedience to this command before the rise of mercantilism and into the Renaissance period and its subsequent ultimate compromise with usury shows just how spineless and illogical Christian Theology is. Not to mention the jubilee laws.

“The work towards living wages and safety standards for the working class in the 19th and 20th century were not polite political struggles, they were outright wars. The labor struggle was led by various factions of working organizations such as the more radical I.W.W (the Wobblies), the United Mine Workers, the American Federation of Labor, and other smaller factions ranging from Communist organizations to labor organizations with fascist undertones. The American labor movement was far from a united front, a fact that the bosses and government took advantage of.”

>>>Too much industrialization. The farm life avoids most of this. The Industrial city life is a den of thieves and corruption. Domestic production should be focused on instead of factory production. The Cultural Marxists don’t like the sound of this because they know it unites the family too much and takes the children away from their Marxist training centers.

“Just as the modern White Nationalist and Traditionalist movement struggles with infighting”

>>>Isn’t it obvious that Christianity cannot produce a unified system of philosophy yet? We have tens of thousands of religious factions here and growing daily.

“Communists, anarchists, and other Socialist organizations were even “White Supremacist” by modern standards, by supporting immigration controls and advocating almost entirely for White workers. Almost without exception, until the latter half of the 20th century, organized labor and unions were endeavors with a wide spectrum of beliefs, but were almost exclusively a White affair.”

>>>I cannot distinguish a single principle you hold from Nazism Matt. I fear for your soul. You tell people you are a traditional southerner. Nazism has nothing whatsoever to do with the South. NOTHING!!!!!!!!!

“The “moderate” wing of the American labor movement, much like the conservatives of the modern era, were far more interested in the respect of the System and financial benefits, than actually helping the workers. The American Federation of Labor under international Jew Samuel Gompers continually betrayed the men and women who were literally having their skulls cracked by company thugs and police officers.”

>>>Then go out to the country and build a farm. Why do we have to maintain the Capitalist-Communist Dialectic? The Industrial Revolution is done here anyway. We cannot compete with China Industrially with the labor laws we have here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0VjwU8cWEw

“It should strike a familiar chord with modern Traditionalists where Jewish money and Jewish leadership works to create a false opposition. The System gives respect to that organization, but the values they are supposed to hold to are never met. Contemporary kosher conservatives who betray Christian values at the behest of their Jewish masters are simply the next incarnation of a political movement for the best interests of White Americans.”

>>>What organization? The men I see getting rich are the Knights of Malta and the Chinese. The men who dominate the banks in America are Knights of Malta. The men who run the European Union are Catholics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Manuel_Barroso

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Van_Rompuy

The Rothschild family is well known to be the Vatican Bankers. The people who dominate industry are Chinese. So please help me to see what you are seeing. Do you have anything which lists all the Jews who control the world who are not beholden to the Pope?

“either a communist or a fascist, because the “free market” taken to its logical extreme is the embodiment of greed and evil.”

>>>Preach!

“(although I am sure that Blackwater would love the job)”

>>>Oh, those Catholic Knights of Malta; those crusading murderers!

“instead of unions working to improve the pay and conditions for the working class.”

>>>That is never going to work. Go to the country and build a farm.

1.When the Union strikes against his employer, the employer’s costs go up, and thus prices go up and his leisure activities go down. But wait! Those leisure activities are provided by common hireling workers. Thus, in their desire to fight for the common hireling worker, the Union persecutes common hireling workers.

2. Unless a Union is willing to resort to violence, other workers are sought by the employer to fulfill the positions the striking Union refuse to take, leaving the family of this striking Union helpless and out in the cold.

3. If the Union is willing to resort to violence they, in their hypocritical desire to fight for the rights of labor refuse the rights of labor for those they call scabs.

4. This denial of others the right to work creates an aristocracy of rights, a monopoly of labor, among the Union. They become just like the people they say they hate. HYPOCRITES!

5. The backfire of Unions is if other labor forces such as agriculture could unite to strike, they could drive up the costs of food and thus negate the success the Factory Union had with their employers by raising their wages. The new wage is wasted on more expensive food.

6. But agricultural laborers do not have the ability to create a union, and thus the factory Unionists have a monopoly on the right to Unionize and Strike.

7. These Union strikes then do not affect the employers nearly as much as their fellow citizen. When a Union strikes, the demands force the Employer’s costs up, which forces him to raise costs on his products. This then raises the price of goods on the Union’s fellow common laborers outside the factory.

8. When a Union is formed it must have the authority to command its members to abstain from work and furnish subsistence to their members during a strike. What else is this subordination and dependence but slavery?

9. If the Communist appeals to the idea of Nationalizing the employers and making the Government the employer, the inevitable result will be a representative of Government compelling everyone to perform their share of labor. What else is this but slavery?

“We must demand and seize the dignity of a living wage and the future of a new nation here on the North American continent, for our people, and by our people. Compromise with the System will only leave you in hovels surrounded by Third World invaders as the politicians and business elites sit in mansions upon a hill. It is not time to beg scraps off of their table, it is to toss over the table and remove our support from their rigged economic System and their perverted Judeo/Masonic “nation” and create a Home just for us.”

>>>Judeo Masonic? You do know that the Bible was written by Jews right? You do know that the Mesiah was a Jew right? You do know that Masonry is Catholic? It is based on Catholic orders and was created by Jesuits to regain the Stuart Throne in England right?

What better way to overthrow this system than to move out to the country and start a farm instead of this constant, never ending fawning after the Industrial Towers of Babel?

Case Studies in Modern Day Roman Feudalism Sunday, Nov 24 2013 

 

Great documentary detailing how Corporations in America pay no taxes.

The Medieval Origins of the ‘Financial Revolution’ by John H. Munro Thursday, Nov 21 2013 

http://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/10925/2/MPRA_paper_10925.pdf

New on Netflix: Death by China Thursday, Nov 21 2013 

Just watched this documentary yesterday on Netflix Instant. This is devastating. One of the most important documentaries I have ever seen.

Jesuits and the Vatican Behind the Financial Crisis? You don’t say?! Saturday, Oct 19 2013 

Murray Rothbard on the Justification of Money Tuesday, Oct 15 2013 

I am not a Libertarian but I found Rothbard’s treatment of this issue in his The Mystery of Banking to be very helpful.

Rothbard begins by arguing that money is more compatible with commerce than barter. People will exchange most anything for money, but finding a trade for a specific good for another one is rare. Second, with money we are able to calculate profitability.

Sometimes if a commodity is useful enough to many people and in high demand it will be used as a medium/money. Rothbard,

“One reason for gold’s universal acceptance as money on the free market is that gold is very difficult to counterfeit: Its look, its sound as a coin, are easily recognizable, and its purity can be readily tested.”[1]

Rothbard,

“Clearly, it will be those commodities most useful as money in any given society. Through the centuries, many commodities have been selected as money on the market. Fish on the Atlantic seacoast of colonial North America, beaver in the Old Northwest,

and tobacco in the Southern colonies were chosen as money. In other cultures, salt, sugar, cattle, iron hoes, tea, cowrie shells, and many other commodities have been chosen on the market…It is also important for people to be able to carry the money commodity around in order to facilitate purchases. To be easily portable, then, a commodity must have high value per unit weight. To have high value per unit weight, however, requires a good which is not only in great demand but also relatively scarce, since an intense demand combined with a relatively scarce supply will yield a high price, or high value per unit weight.

Finally, the money commodity should be highly durable, so that it can serve as a store of value for a long time. The holder of money should not only be assured of being able to purchase other products right now, but also indefinitely into the future. Therefore, butter, fish, eggs, and so on fail on the question of durability.”[2]

This is why cigarettes are considered money in the prison system.

Rothbard,

“In all countries and all civilizations, two commodities have been dominant whenever they were available to compete as moneys with other commodities: gold and silver… The difficulties of mining gold, which makes its production limited, make its long-term value relatively more stable than silver.”[3]

At this point I think Rothbard proves that the value (I may be using the word value equivocally) of money is not arbitrary.

Rothbard acknowledges a helpful question,

“Free market gold standard advocates have often been taunted with the charge: “You are against the government fixing the price of goods and services; why then do you make an exception for gold? Why do you call for the government fixing the price of gold and setting the exchange rates between the various currencies?” (9-10)

Gen 23:16 So Abraham hearkened unto Ephron, and Abraham weighed to Ephron the silver, which he had named, in the audience of the Hittites, even four hundred silver shekels of current money among merchants.

This passage seems to suggest that the value of currency is determined by the market not the State.

It is a difficult subject and one I have not completely settled within myself yet.

And another question that I have not read a straight answer on,

“If the government has the coin to back up its paper, why does it have to issue paper in the first place?”[4]


[1] Footnote 6, 48

[2] 6-7

[3] 8

[4] 53

Usury: The Cancer of Modern Civilization Wednesday, Oct 9 2013 

Mat 21: 12 And Yahshua entered the temple and drove out all those who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers

2 Thess. 3:10 if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either

What is usury? Usury is the practice of taking interest on a loan or the gain of anything above the principal of a loan. Usury is not taking excessive interest. It is taking any interest at all. Gary North, a usury apologist, admits, “The word in no way implies “excessive.” It means any extra payment at all.”[1] This practice is so common today and so foundational to our modern banking system and our economy that many reading this tract will wonder why I am even writing this. As I am writing this, our Government is officially shut-down due to the failure of our Representatives to agree on a budget for the following fiscal year.  In the past few years our country faced the worst economic recession since the Great Depression. The city of Detroit, once known to be the capital of Industry in our country, recently filed Bankruptcy. Our Country is in $17 Trillion in debt. Over 40% of the wealth in this country is in the hands of only 1% of the population![2] Our country is on the verge of financial collapse and it seems no one knows what to do. Modern Philosophy has failed. So what does the Bible have to say about our problems? It may shock the reader to know that the Bible has much to say about our problems and even includes scenarios exactly like our own. The problem is, most of these scenarios are in the Tanakh and Christianity has succeeded in convincing people that the Tanakh, so far from being divine wisdom, is actually a curse! Christians hate the Torah. They reject the Shema, the Sabbath day, the Kosher Laws, the Feast Days, and the totality of the Mosaic social order. The Messiah stated clearly that he did not do away with the Torah[3], so Christians have no excuse. It took me 14 years of being a Christian to realize that it is impossible for Christianity to be the fulfillment of Judaism.

Some apologists for usury complain that the Torah’s prohibitions against usury only apply to the poor.[4] The problem with this is that the Torah commanded that all the people were to be governed the same, whether they were rich or poor, native or alien.[5] Secondly, Deut. 23:19-20 forbids usury but there is no mention of the poor. It is a general prohibition against usury. Jewish usury apologists claim that Jews may take usury from Gentiles pursuant to Deut. 23:20.  This was a huge part of the rise of modern banking from the time of the Renaissance. Girolamo Savonarola preached passionately against the financial and moral corruption under the Borgia Pope Alexander VI (Rodrigo Lanzol Borgia-Papacy: 1492-1503), giving specific emphasis to the common use of usury. In 1492 Jews were expelled from Spain and some 9,000 Iberian Jews were welcomed into the Papal States in Rome by Borgia Pope, Alexander VI. He did the same with expelled Jews from Portugal in 1497 and from Provence in 1498. Under the Borgia Pope Alexander VI, the Jews made a fortune off of excessive usury. It was in the 14th and 15th centuries that the rise of the Marrano Jews (Jews forcibly converted to Christianity) were creating problems for the Catholics as this new demographic was producing a number of “Judaizer” heresies. However, the Jesuits (Usurious Financiers themselves), in the 16th century, allied themselves with the Marranos. And let the reader not forget the earlier Borgia House connection because the co-founder of the Jesuit Order was Don Francis Borgia. Thus, the Borgia House-Jesuit-Jewish Zionist-Usury Financed- International Banking Cartel came into its own. Is it not strange that the Charging Bull on Wall Street looks exactly like the Family Crest of the House of Borgia and the crest of the Duke of Valentois, a title of nobility first given to Cesare Borgia in 1498? Is it just a coincidence that the Salamancan Jesuits like Molina and Juan de Mariana laid the foundations for Libertarianism and the Austrian School of Economics?[6]  Carl Menger, the founder of the AustrianSchool, relied heavily on them. Yet we are supposed to believe that the Libertarians are the suppressed heroes of our age. Maybe not.

The Jewish argument is baseless. There were three types of strangers mentioned in the Torah: (1) Gentile converts to Judaism. They were to be treated just like Jews.[7] (2) A Gentile who was visiting in Israel for secular purposes. He was to be treated just like a Jew.[8] (Here a naturalized stranger is distinguished from a sojourning stranger). (3)  The Canaanite nations who were subject to absolute destruction.[9] The Hebrew word translated stranger in Deut. 23:20 is different than the Hebrew word translated stranger in Exo. 12:48-49, Lev. 24:22, Num. 15:15-16, Lev. 25:35-36 and Lev. 19:33.  This command to take usury from the Canaanite nations was an act of war so that Yahweh, “By little and little…will drive them out from before you”.[10] This sin of the Jews was the occasion of great animosity and outcry against them and further aided Western Anti-Semitism. Usury was forbidden among Christians and Muslims alike. The erroneous Jewish exception enraged European Gentiles against Jews for centuries.

The prophets condemned usury.[11] The most striking passage is in Nehemiah 5. Here we have the national poverty of God’s people blamed on usury and the solution was immediate reparations. This lays out for us the primary evil of usury: It centralizes wealth into the hands of a few and produces widespread poverty. What is wrong with this? The people consented to it. What is wrong about it is that the Sociological principle behind it is absolute Self-Interest. This is a contradiction to the Social Dynamic of the Torah. The Torah teaches the principle of Tribal-Interest.[12] Here we see the inherent evil of Atheism and Capitalism. Remember, modern-day Capitalism was a production of Herbert Spencer’s Darwinism.[13]

Christian Churches have blotted out the teachings of Messiah on this issue. Mat. 6:12 records Messiah’s command to forgive debtors. The Church I grew up in changed the word debt to trespass. In Mat. 25, usury is mentioned. The context of this chapter is judging, condemning or rewarding lazy or diligent service to one’s master. Verse 27 mentions an unjust master demanding usury. This is no different than the Torah’s teaching on this issue.

Objections

1. If there is no usury there will be no trade.

Ans. International trade was conducted in mass during the reigns of David and Solomon[14] who both wrote against usury.[15] Not only so, but for centuries the Muslim nations have conducted trade under Sharia law which also forbids usury. Maybe that is why our corporate owned media wants us to hate those people so much. We learned much from the Muslims in the century preceding the Renaissance. Maybe it is time to learn something from them again.

2. You are just trying to demonize the rich! 

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Ans. The Bible does not absolutely condemn rich people, and actually appeals to wealth as a reward for righteous behavior.[16] However, these verses are exceptional. The Bible demonizes the rich as a rule, not an exception:

Matt. 19:24: it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.

Prov. 23:4: Labor not to be rich; 28:20 But he who makes haste to be rich will not go unpunished.

Luke 6:24 But woe to you who are rich, for you are receiving your comfort in full; 12:19 And I will say to my soul, “Soul, you have many goods laid up for many years to come; take your ease, eat, drink and be merry.”’ 20 But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your soul is required of you; and now who will own what you have prepared?’ 21 So is the man who stores up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.

1 Tim 6:9 But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction.

 


[2] Wealth, Income, and Power by G. William Domhoff

[3] Matthew 5:17-19

[4] Deut. 15:7-11, Exo. 22:25, Lev. 25:35-37

[5] Num. 15:15-16, Exo. 12:49

[6] Huge defenders of usury

[7] Exo. 12:48-49, Lev. 24:22, Num. 15:15-16, Lev. 25:35-36.

[8] Lev. 19:33-34, Lev. 25:35-36

[9] Exo. 23:23-32, Exo. 34:10-12

[10] Exo. 23:30.This is exactly what is happening to us. The Banks are little by little destroying our nation and the employees of Banks are nothing less than the soldiers of an occupying military force. They are traitors whether they know it or not.

[11] Jer. 15:10, Ezek. 18:1-17, 22:7-12

[12] 1 Kings 21:3

[13] Implying a strong emphasis on competition

[14] Read the sections in the Tanakh on the building of      the Temple and the materials shipped in.

[15] Psalm 15:5, Prov. 28:8

[16] Prov. 22:4, Psa. 112:1-3

How to Save America and the South From Yankee Coporations Wednesday, Jun 12 2013 

I commented tonight at Traditionalist Youth Network

http://www.tradyouth.org/2013/06/economic-suicide/

The South can by law, never benefit from Capitalism and the Industrial Revolution because of the creation of the legal corporate person by Roscoe Conkling and the immunities that derived from that legislation pursuant to

Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_County_v._Southern_Pacific_Railroad

and

Pembina Consolidated Silver Mining Co. v. Pennsylvania – 125 U.S. 181
http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/125/181/case.html

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood

The issue is the Yankees have patents on all the major machinery of the Industrial Revolution and are also protected under the law as a person in their life, liberty, property, as well as the Privileges and Immunities under the U.S. Constitution. The South continues to get poorer because she is paying tribute to the Northern Corporations. We must go back to neither Capitalism nor to Communism nor to the Roman Feudalism for that is what we are under now. We must go back to Agrarianism, plowing our fields and providing for ourselves with God’s means of production: Horse, OX, Goat, Cow, Chicken, etc. Yankees have no patents on those machines. They need no Yankee Corporate oil, gas, or spark plugs but are fed from products we grow on our own lands. That is the only way we get free. We must also boycott all Northern Corporations and chains in our states and get their grid out asap. We do not need bloodshed to get this done. We just need to change our thinking and stop giving our money to the Yankees. Get a wood stove for the house, and get solar panels for electricity. Let’s bankrupt these sob’s.

Yankee Capitalism’s Darwinian Roots Monday, Apr 29 2013 

http://www.twyman-whitney.com/history120-121/readings/SocialDarwinismandAmericanLaissez-FaireCapitalism.pdf

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