Conversation with an Arian on the Pre-Existence of Yeshua Sunday, Jun 30 2013 

Though it may seem to say he physically had this glory that isn’t the case because he had not yet recieved it.

John 17: 5 Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

BTW, no textual variant: http://openscriptures.org/prototypes/manuscript-comparator/?passage=john+17%3A5&view=parallel&strongs=1

God always is. For us there is time, that isn’t so with God, He created time for us. This glory that was Messiah’s existed before the existence of the world in the mind of God.

That would make Yeshua a thought in the Father’s mind. This precludes the use of παρα (with) in that verse. Moreover we read in Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

(No textual variants: http://openscriptures.org/prototypes/manuscript-comparator/?passage=heb+10%3A5&view=parallel&strongs=1)

He came into the world and considered a body (implying he had his own mind) prepared for him. This implies he pre-existed the incarnation as a distinct person. This interpretation is supplemented in John 6:41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.

(No textual variants: http://openscriptures.org/prototypes/manuscript-comparator/?passage=john+6%3A41&view=parallel&strongs=1)

As the son glorified the Father on Earth, he now requests to have the glory he was given before the world was.

You are using the word had and given as predestination. Predestine is the greek προορίζω proorizō. Decree or pre-planned ordaining is προγράφω prographō. None of this appears in the passage. The Greek for had here is ἔχω echō. The word is in Imperfect tense, Active voice, Indicative mood.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jhn&c=17&v=1&t=KJV#conc/5

Imperfect tense denotes continual or repeated action, and the active voice denotes not a promise or a decree but a continual possession. The indicative mood indicates the same. Something that is pre-planned and decreed is not a continual possession but perfect in tense denoting something past once and for all and passive in voice.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jud&c=1&t=KJV&q=jude#conc/4

This would preclude this passage saying he would receive the glory later. Thus, Yahshua was possessing and active before the creation of the world. This clearly proves his pre-existence as a distinct person from the Father.

I would also add John 8:58, and 2 John 1:7

INFOWARS Article on Possible Race War-Via Zimmerman Trial-Eclipses 6000 Comments! Sunday, Jun 30 2013 

http://www.infowars.com/ex-chicago-cop-zimmerman-acquittal-to-cause-race-riots/

Racial Separation Now! Friday, Jun 28 2013 

Target: U.S. Representative John Yarmuth

Region: United States of America

Web site: drakeshelton.com

Petition Background (Preamble):

Ever since the era of Gangster Rap hit the streets in the late 80s and early 90s an element within the black community has strove to create a huge race war between white and black in America. From Dr. Dre’s “The Day The Niggaz Took Over” to Ice-T’s “Home Invasion” to Khalid Abdul Muhammad and the support he received from numerous rap artists such as Public Enemy (“Night of the Living Baseheads“), Ice Cube (“Death”, “The Birth”, “Cave Bitch,”), MC Ren (“Muhammad Speaks”) and Tupac Shakur (“White Man’s World”), a plot has been in preparation to foment a huge race war here in North America.

Websites such as, whitegirlbleedalot.com/‎ and http://blackracismandracehatred.blogspot.com/, have been documenting the thousands of hate crimes committed by blacks against whites in America that are never given attention on mainstream news. This pattern has been well documented by the United States Department of Justice’s Homicide Trends in the United States (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf, pages 11-15) and Hate Crime statistics (http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hc0309.pdf). The USDOJ states in Hate Crime page 7,

“From 2003 to 2009, the greatest percentage of hate crime victimizations were against white, non-Hispanic individuals”.

With the recent advent of the George Zimmerman trial the black community has made it very clear that if Zimmerman is acquitted there will be nationwide riots.

http://www.crimefilenews.com/2013/06/america-will-see-its-worst-race-riot.html

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/27/if-zimmerman-get-off-ima-go-kill-a-white-boy-trayvon-martin-supporters-make-shocking-threats-ahead-of-verdict/

To avoid bloodshed, and the inevitable martial law that will result from it, we must racially separate now!

Thomas Jefferson said in Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XIV, (1787),

“It will probably be asked, Why not retain and incorporate the blacks into the state, and thus save the expense of supplying, by importation of white settlers, the vacancies they will leave? Deep rooted prejudices entertained by the whites; ten thousand recollections, by the blacks, of the injuries they have sustained; new provocations; the real distinctions which nature has made; and many other circumstances, will divide us into parties, and produce convulsions, which will probably never end but in the extermination of the one or the other race. – To these objections, which are political, may be added others, which are physical and moral.”

Petition:

The white and the black race cannot dwell together peacefully in this land. To avoid bloodshed resulting from the possible not-guilty verdict in the George Zimmerman trial, we the signed petitioners advocate that the U.S. Representatives in all States but specifically our State of Kentucky separate the races.

I will have this petition up at http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/racial-separation-now.html in the next day after it is approved. If you are interested in an email notification please comment below and I will send you the link when it is approved.

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Well that was quick: gopetition.com already refused my petition.

Also Congressman Yarmuth’s website won’t let me contact him either. This is what I get when I submit the contact form:

refused

The Race War Is Almost Cooked and Ready to be Served; You Can’t Say I Didn’t Tell You. Friday, Jun 28 2013 

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/27/if-zimmerman-get-off-ima-go-kill-a-white-boy-trayvon-martin-supporters-make-shocking-threats-ahead-of-verdict/

Various Types of Theological Necessity Tuesday, Jun 25 2013 

Well done. Rebloging. Jacob do you realize how many Reformed people understand this and can use it in apologetics with the EO? You know what the sick reality is? Probably you and me and ……..crickets…….

The Lecture Hall of Tyrannus

Turretin on different types of freedom

necessitas consequentiae (necessity of the consequences):  this is a hypothetical or non-absolute necessity.  It is brought about by a previous contingent act.  It refers to the necessity of the finite order.  There is no absolute necessity that God decree what he decrees, but since he has decreed so, he is bound to fulfill it.

necessitas consequentis (necessity of the consequent):  this is absolute necessity that refers to the opera ad intra.

Practical value of these distinctions:  it allows the theologian to intelligently and without confusion speak of both necessary and free acts.   Our acts are necessary in the sense that Providence is not subject to change.  But our acts are not absolutely necessary, since God was not bound to decree such.

The more I read of Richard Muller and other exponents of Reformed Scholasticism, the more I realize that the Reformation tradition had…

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The Industrial Sedition Monday, Jun 24 2013 

My summary of the conspiracy of the Industrial Revolution, the problems in America and how to solve them and save our country is attached to this link in a word document. Share it and please offer editing advice if  you find reasons to. 

https://sites.google.com/a/thekingsparlor.com/the-kings-parlor/the-industrial-sedition

Messianic Jewish Elder, a Nicene Monarchist? Sunday, Jun 23 2013 

For the reader’s edification, the reason I began to be interested in Natsarim is that they are the only Groups I know that have creedalized the substance of the doctrines of the Nicene Creed 325.  I have written much on these issues here:

http://drakeshelton.com/drakes-triadology-stuff/

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6-22-2013 Elder Alan Mansager

http://www.yrm.org/mp3/

I enjoyed what he said positively, but his criticism of Triunism was rather weak when he discussed the Historical issues. Triunists will dismiss the truth over these inaccuracies and if we want to be honest and stay in line with Torah, 9th Command, we have to get it straight.

12:00 He says that the idea of the sense of scripture is scripture makes no sense. I don’t understand his problem. This is perfectly clear. The logical implications of a statement are on the same level of authority as the original statement. I dealt with this in Chapter 3 of my Systematic Theology. http://olivianus.thekingsparlor.com/drake-s-systematic-theology

14:00 His attempt to distinguish Trintarianism and Oneness is rather weak. The only difference between the two is that Trinitarianism created a legal category for their groundless assertion that there is three persons. What they did is exactly what the Supreme Court did in Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad  and Pembina Consolidated Silver Mining Co. v. Pennsylvania – 125 U.S. 181, when they made corporations legal persons who have no body and soul as distinguished from natural persons who do have bodies and souls. The idea is a legal category of person that contains no real being. Thus the only difference is artificial and thus not meaningfully different at all.

16:20-16:30 He says that the Nicene Creed 325 is the same view that has been maintained ever since in Trintarian Churches. That is incorrect. The Triune position was partly creedalized in the 381 Constantinople Council and fully creedalized with the Athanasian Creed. The Nicene Creed 325 says that the One God is the Father, not a Trinity and it says that the Son is OF the essence of the Father. It does not say they are one single substance. That comes later.And it also does not say that the Holy Spirit is a distinct person. That also comes later.

http://articulifidei.blogspot.com/2010/02/nicene-creed-vs-niceno.html

http://articulifidei.blogspot.com/2010/02/when-and-which-are-councils-and-creeds.html

http://articulifidei.blogspot.com/2010/02/original-nicene-creed-and-semantic.html

http://drakeshelton.com/2013/01/29/documentation-for-the-assertion-that-the-meaning-of-the-term-homoousios-was-misunderstood-and-changed-in-the-west/

http://drakeshelton.com/2012/08/29/homoouiosgeneric-or-numeric/

http://drakeshelton.com/2012/09/06/jnd-kelly-on-homoouios-generic-or-numeric/

My friend David and I have been obsessed with these issues for years. You will not find anyone online who deals with these issues in more detail than us.

21:30 Touches on the death of Christ. The Triunist position would say that his human nature died, not the divine nature. His criticism was a straw man.

At the 53:40-54:00 mark he says the Apostles Creed and the Nicene Creed taught the Trinity. That is incorrect as I have already proved.

The Brotherhood of the Bell; People Don’t Like to Hear The Truth Saturday, Jun 22 2013 

They get somewhat upset at the Jewish Conspiracy but when they hear the truth they loose it.

Breaking News! Birther Diva Orly Taitz Breaks Revelation of Obama’s Suspect Identity Saturday, Jun 22 2013 

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=425938

To get some more info see here:

I think I am becoming a Messianic Jew of the Sect of the Natsarim Thursday, Jun 20 2013 

I think I am becoming a Messianic Jew of the Sect of the Natsarim. More to come.

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